I don't get why so many are angry at the CPC. They not been a factor in anything at all since 2014, which is kind of the problem
They just refuse to win, or even pretend to be conservative. They just keep turning into a red Tory liberal lite at the general election and losing, which people complain they aren't liberal enough, because Pierre didn't wear enough diaspora outfits and pander enough to migrants is why he lost
I'm not angry at the CPC. I'm appalled by the hypocrisy and the blind allegiance to one individual.
I don't think Pierre is even remotely conservative; He's brought the party left of center. He's an opportunist whose whole adult life has been molded by the parliament, confused conservatives seem to think he'll fix.
From the beginning of the year, with his "Wackos" video, I was convinced then as I am now Pierre is driven by a visceral jealousy of everything JT was given and the power he had. He thinks he deserves it more than JT did b/c he put in the years and it's his childhood dream.
While JT was a terrible PM for many reasons, Pierre would make a terrible PM for one reason. He's been dreaming of being the PM since he was a college kid. He's in his mid 40's still chasing his childhood dream, even after the country pulled the pillow right out from under his head. Pierre hasn't matured beyond his childhood dreams. That makes him just as dangerous a leader as JT was. While cut from very different clothes, Pierre wants to be swaddled in the same linens as JT. Neither have grown up!
He's a poser, an opportunist, and has been a tremendous factor in much of what has happened since 2014; he's been a big player in that party since even before then.
The CPC is more weak now than ever with a loser as its leader.
An impotent opposition simply empowers a bad government.
I mean, he did the same thing as O'Toole and Scheer did. pivot to a red tory, liberal lite campaign and then lose, but with dignity... And everyone getting mad that he has a mean 'tone' bother me. They don't get how bad things are and are still worried more about being polite than surviving the next few decades.
Which sucks. I honestly wish he were as evil as people portray him as. The government has bribed everyone with tax money, and we are buckling under the costs now that we've over regulated the economy, deflated the currency, and are now 13 years into our lost decade. Like 'Margret Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money.
I get that you see some evil trump north demagogue, but I don't see that. I see a guy who accidentally understood that productive Canadians did not want to become Venezuela, then sold them out the minute he thought he could win the PM seat.
which is such a Canadian thing to do.
And I am aware it was on purpose. Back when he still had glasses, he put out an ad, saying he knew that Canadians had given up, and he asked for his trust one last time. (one last time, his words)
well, he had his one last time, where he put on 3rd world diaspora costumes and appealed to the same people who have been pilfering our coffers, trying to befriend the same people who have called him Hitler for the last decade. He blew a 20 point lead, and I too, am over it.
Pierre did not lose with dignity. With dignity means accepting the outcome, not taking a cherry-picked safe-seat from a candidate who won it handily, mere months after a general election. Dignity would dictate he wait for a byelection to happen naturally, not doctor one. Dignity would mean not billing Canadians for that election, as well as his unjustified residency in Stornoway while he squatted. None of what Pierre does personifies what I consider to be conservative attributes/qualities, and certainly not dignity.
If you think I "see some evil Trump North demagogue", you clearly are reading more into my opinion that simply are not there.
Pierre is no Trump. Pierre is a chump, in my opinion.
Finally, Pierre's makeover (losing the glasses et. al.) should have been a red flag to all of us who lean conservative. No middle-aged truly conservative man is going to undergo a makeover to make their physical appearance more like the nemesis they are trying to de-throne, which is exactly what that was. It indicated a very high-level insecurity, as well as weakness. Neither are leadership qualities let alone conservative ones. It proves to me he's as wishy-washy as any unqualified individual vying for a job that has power.
And all his pandering to diaspora groups is proof he can costume - aka "blackface" - just as well as JT can. He'll say/do whatever to win for his good, not actually for others.
A white Christian donning the religious costume of non-Christian religions is just as offensive as putting coca on one's face for a costume party/Halloween, if that is indeed pragmatically offensive.
I think we might agree more than we disagree on Pierre, but we just things through our own goggles, you know as humans tend to.
And why apologize for dumping here? I just did the same. Welcome to the dump, man!
It makes for constructive discussion, agreement or otherwise.
You lose me here man. This is wholly disputable. The normal redistribution, as a result of population growth, of the Carleton riding actually ended up picking up more rural voters than urban and rural voters generally vote conservative. Pierre didn't lose the riding because of immigrants. Give your head a shake. He lost the riding because his constituents were neglected while he jetted back and forth across the country selling himself to everyone but, his own constituents. He did not campaign in the riding; he campaigned across the country. I happen to live in Ottawa, and while I don't live in his riding, I can assure you it didn't switch to liberal because of left leaning immigrants. It switched liberal because of boots on the ground (LPC boots) and constituents' lost faith in a career politician neglecting his back yard, with eyes on a prize he never will achieve.
There is far much more that can be learned from a loss than a win, but that can't happen if the reason for the loss is decided even before the dust has settled, let alone concluding its the result of external influences rather than internal failures to addressing external influence. No election happens in a vacuum void of external influences. And no political has ever won or lost void of external influences. It's frankly a core aspect of the game that most winning politicians use to win.
It seems to me, Pierre used the riding distribution to lose, purposefully. I think the Damien Kurek resignation was long planned before election night. He's got a great patronage appointment with a firm that lobbies government, Pierre has a safe conservative riding. Self-serving politicians living like pigs at the trough. As a result, the CPC party is in far worse shape now than even when it lost the election. They've decided to take their stand on the hill where they lost, yet the hill they lost on was levelled and paved when Carney's government was sworn in.
I for one will not look at the conservative party again. It needs a gutting, a sanitizing, and well, it needs to move back to the right. Pierre is not the guy for that job, nor is any dedicated, even tenured parliamentarian. They've all soiled themselves by standing on the hill with Pierre.
I have no political party in this country to support.
Canada deserves what's coming to it. And no offense, that most conservatives are like you, concerned with niceness and politeness and kindness, meanwhile liberals are burning the country down.
CPC will lose and feel good because the decline wasn't their fault and they were good people.
I would love an asshole who is willing to look bad and win. But that's not Canadians so I'll sit back for another round of 20% of inflation to pay for Ukraine and Brookfield and SNC to enrich shareholders while everyone gets socialized money to be ok with it
Dude, have you read anything I wrote? Certainly you can't think I am concerned with niceness, politeness and kindness, if so. I'm rather blunt, crude, and could care less about any of the above if they interfere with truth and justice. Neither is obliged to be nice, kind, or polite.
I do agree the country deserves what's coming. Left or right, far too many Canadians have their head's stuck up their ass, while they "look down" on each other from their perch of shit.
I don't get why so many are angry at the CPC. They not been a factor in anything at all since 2014, which is kind of the problem
They just refuse to win, or even pretend to be conservative. They just keep turning into a red Tory liberal lite at the general election and losing, which people complain they aren't liberal enough, because Pierre didn't wear enough diaspora outfits and pander enough to migrants is why he lost
I'm not angry at the CPC. I'm appalled by the hypocrisy and the blind allegiance to one individual.
I don't think Pierre is even remotely conservative; He's brought the party left of center. He's an opportunist whose whole adult life has been molded by the parliament, confused conservatives seem to think he'll fix.
From the beginning of the year, with his "Wackos" video, I was convinced then as I am now Pierre is driven by a visceral jealousy of everything JT was given and the power he had. He thinks he deserves it more than JT did b/c he put in the years and it's his childhood dream.
While JT was a terrible PM for many reasons, Pierre would make a terrible PM for one reason. He's been dreaming of being the PM since he was a college kid. He's in his mid 40's still chasing his childhood dream, even after the country pulled the pillow right out from under his head. Pierre hasn't matured beyond his childhood dreams. That makes him just as dangerous a leader as JT was. While cut from very different clothes, Pierre wants to be swaddled in the same linens as JT. Neither have grown up!
He's a poser, an opportunist, and has been a tremendous factor in much of what has happened since 2014; he's been a big player in that party since even before then.
The CPC is more weak now than ever with a loser as its leader.
An impotent opposition simply empowers a bad government.
I'd like to have a conservative party to support.
Sadly that seems akin to a boyhood dream.
Unlike Pierre, I've let go.
sorry to dump this all here, but it's apt.
I mean, he did the same thing as O'Toole and Scheer did. pivot to a red tory, liberal lite campaign and then lose, but with dignity... And everyone getting mad that he has a mean 'tone' bother me. They don't get how bad things are and are still worried more about being polite than surviving the next few decades.
Which sucks. I honestly wish he were as evil as people portray him as. The government has bribed everyone with tax money, and we are buckling under the costs now that we've over regulated the economy, deflated the currency, and are now 13 years into our lost decade. Like 'Margret Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money.
I get that you see some evil trump north demagogue, but I don't see that. I see a guy who accidentally understood that productive Canadians did not want to become Venezuela, then sold them out the minute he thought he could win the PM seat.
which is such a Canadian thing to do.
And I am aware it was on purpose. Back when he still had glasses, he put out an ad, saying he knew that Canadians had given up, and he asked for his trust one last time. (one last time, his words)
well, he had his one last time, where he put on 3rd world diaspora costumes and appealed to the same people who have been pilfering our coffers, trying to befriend the same people who have called him Hitler for the last decade. He blew a 20 point lead, and I too, am over it.
Pierre did not lose with dignity. With dignity means accepting the outcome, not taking a cherry-picked safe-seat from a candidate who won it handily, mere months after a general election. Dignity would dictate he wait for a byelection to happen naturally, not doctor one. Dignity would mean not billing Canadians for that election, as well as his unjustified residency in Stornoway while he squatted. None of what Pierre does personifies what I consider to be conservative attributes/qualities, and certainly not dignity.
If you think I "see some evil Trump North demagogue", you clearly are reading more into my opinion that simply are not there.
Pierre is no Trump. Pierre is a chump, in my opinion.
Finally, Pierre's makeover (losing the glasses et. al.) should have been a red flag to all of us who lean conservative. No middle-aged truly conservative man is going to undergo a makeover to make their physical appearance more like the nemesis they are trying to de-throne, which is exactly what that was. It indicated a very high-level insecurity, as well as weakness. Neither are leadership qualities let alone conservative ones. It proves to me he's as wishy-washy as any unqualified individual vying for a job that has power.
And all his pandering to diaspora groups is proof he can costume - aka "blackface" - just as well as JT can. He'll say/do whatever to win for his good, not actually for others.
A white Christian donning the religious costume of non-Christian religions is just as offensive as putting coca on one's face for a costume party/Halloween, if that is indeed pragmatically offensive.
I think we might agree more than we disagree on Pierre, but we just things through our own goggles, you know as humans tend to.
And why apologize for dumping here? I just did the same. Welcome to the dump, man!
It makes for constructive discussion, agreement or otherwise.
Though I did find it funny that they redistributed polievres old seat to add migrants and liberals to it to kick him out. It was petty AF
You lose me here man. This is wholly disputable. The normal redistribution, as a result of population growth, of the Carleton riding actually ended up picking up more rural voters than urban and rural voters generally vote conservative. Pierre didn't lose the riding because of immigrants. Give your head a shake. He lost the riding because his constituents were neglected while he jetted back and forth across the country selling himself to everyone but, his own constituents. He did not campaign in the riding; he campaigned across the country. I happen to live in Ottawa, and while I don't live in his riding, I can assure you it didn't switch to liberal because of left leaning immigrants. It switched liberal because of boots on the ground (LPC boots) and constituents' lost faith in a career politician neglecting his back yard, with eyes on a prize he never will achieve.
There is far much more that can be learned from a loss than a win, but that can't happen if the reason for the loss is decided even before the dust has settled, let alone concluding its the result of external influences rather than internal failures to addressing external influence. No election happens in a vacuum void of external influences. And no political has ever won or lost void of external influences. It's frankly a core aspect of the game that most winning politicians use to win.
It seems to me, Pierre used the riding distribution to lose, purposefully. I think the Damien Kurek resignation was long planned before election night. He's got a great patronage appointment with a firm that lobbies government, Pierre has a safe conservative riding. Self-serving politicians living like pigs at the trough. As a result, the CPC party is in far worse shape now than even when it lost the election. They've decided to take their stand on the hill where they lost, yet the hill they lost on was levelled and paved when Carney's government was sworn in.
I for one will not look at the conservative party again. It needs a gutting, a sanitizing, and well, it needs to move back to the right. Pierre is not the guy for that job, nor is any dedicated, even tenured parliamentarian. They've all soiled themselves by standing on the hill with Pierre.
I have no political party in this country to support.
Canada deserves what's coming to it. And no offense, that most conservatives are like you, concerned with niceness and politeness and kindness, meanwhile liberals are burning the country down.
CPC will lose and feel good because the decline wasn't their fault and they were good people.
I would love an asshole who is willing to look bad and win. But that's not Canadians so I'll sit back for another round of 20% of inflation to pay for Ukraine and Brookfield and SNC to enrich shareholders while everyone gets socialized money to be ok with it
Dude, have you read anything I wrote? Certainly you can't think I am concerned with niceness, politeness and kindness, if so. I'm rather blunt, crude, and could care less about any of the above if they interfere with truth and justice. Neither is obliged to be nice, kind, or polite.
I do agree the country deserves what's coming. Left or right, far too many Canadians have their head's stuck up their ass, while they "look down" on each other from their perch of shit.
What have the conservatives ever conserved?